I would consider anyone who spews out ';prophecies'; to a be a mental case.Would you consider dr. bill deagle a false prophet?im sure you all have herd of him.with his prophecies.?
Never heard of him, but I am sure he is just a convoluted lying megalomaniac. Prophet is a red herring.Would you consider dr. bill deagle a false prophet?im sure you all have herd of him.with his prophecies.?
Never heard of him
Monday, February 8, 2010
Since Joseph Smith made many prophecies which didn't come about would that make him a false prophet?
For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this ';prophecy'; that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this ';temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it...'; to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.Since Joseph Smith made many prophecies which didn't come about would that make him a false prophet?
Actually, LDS people evade the false prophet label by cleverly devising ways in which the prophecies could come true in the future. This evasion has lead me to just say that Joseph Smith is a clever deviser of tales (as are many of his followers). See 2 Peter 1.16, where such clever devising is historically noted. Also, LDS people use this opportunity to accuse Jesus of prophesying falsely when He referred to 'this generation' in Matthew 24 (referring to the generation that would see the beginning of the signs He was speaking about).Since Joseph Smith made many prophecies which didn't come about would that make him a false prophet?
If you need any more proof that Joseph Smith made up his ';book of revelations';, notice the style he writes in ';...For verily this generation shall not pass away';...sound familiar? Blasphemy AND plagerism! Doesn't the Bible say something about a worse punishment for those who lead others astray from the word of God?
No. There are many prophets who told prophecies that didn't come to pass. People can change the course of prophecy when they choose to either not follow that prophecy, or other people interfere with that prophecy. It's called agency.
Here's some sites for you. They explain the whole false prophecy thing.
http://www.fairlds.org/Bible/Nature_of_P鈥?/a>
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_pro鈥?/a>
Speaking of prophets...
Here is a man proclaiming to be the last prophet, surprisingly, all of his predictions have come true...
Issiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel all made prophecies that have not been fulfilled-----Yet.
Yes your right. Also the Jehovah witnesses also have this history of false predictions. God doesnt prophesy lies.
According to the Bible if one of your prophecies is false you are a false prophet and must be put to death. (Old Testament stuff)
If your assertion is correct then so is your conclusion. Personally I don't know. But I'm not LDS.
Yes.
Everything Smith said and did make him false.
Pastor Art
many false prophets shall come and go, Smith has his own writings and teaching that are not of the Bible, that says it all
Probably....
Why am I not surprised?
Coming to a stop on the Susquehanna river,,and trying to be like Moses,,
Joseph Smith was a con-man, enough said.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Independence_te鈥?/a>
false prophet indeed, he was an a hole too.
he was on LSD
to answer your question......';yes';.
Prophesy is conditional. It is conditional on the people to whom it is given. The people were told things that based on their current condition or if they were to do certain things they would receive these blessings. It was fact that if the people were to follow the guidelines set they would have had the Temple in Independence built and the Saviour would have Come Again. However, they did not keep their end of the bargain.
It is the same way with the law of Tithing and the Word of Wisdom (not to mention all the rest of the rules God makes but these are the easiest to show). Tithing says if you keep it then you will receive blessings from heaven - even so much that you cannot receive it all. WoW states if you keep it you'll be healthy and have energy. You have to keep the laws and promises in order to get the results.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet. he made many false prophecies and has deceived many people.
He has met the Lord face to face. The consequences of his actions are apparent to him now... To bad it was too late for him. I just pray that others will really seek the truth and not suffer the same fate.
Actually, LDS people evade the false prophet label by cleverly devising ways in which the prophecies could come true in the future. This evasion has lead me to just say that Joseph Smith is a clever deviser of tales (as are many of his followers). See 2 Peter 1.16, where such clever devising is historically noted. Also, LDS people use this opportunity to accuse Jesus of prophesying falsely when He referred to 'this generation' in Matthew 24 (referring to the generation that would see the beginning of the signs He was speaking about).Since Joseph Smith made many prophecies which didn't come about would that make him a false prophet?
If you need any more proof that Joseph Smith made up his ';book of revelations';, notice the style he writes in ';...For verily this generation shall not pass away';...sound familiar? Blasphemy AND plagerism! Doesn't the Bible say something about a worse punishment for those who lead others astray from the word of God?
No. There are many prophets who told prophecies that didn't come to pass. People can change the course of prophecy when they choose to either not follow that prophecy, or other people interfere with that prophecy. It's called agency.
Here's some sites for you. They explain the whole false prophecy thing.
http://www.fairlds.org/Bible/Nature_of_P鈥?/a>
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_pro鈥?/a>
Speaking of prophets...
Here is a man proclaiming to be the last prophet, surprisingly, all of his predictions have come true...
Issiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel all made prophecies that have not been fulfilled-----Yet.
Yes your right. Also the Jehovah witnesses also have this history of false predictions. God doesnt prophesy lies.
According to the Bible if one of your prophecies is false you are a false prophet and must be put to death. (Old Testament stuff)
If your assertion is correct then so is your conclusion. Personally I don't know. But I'm not LDS.
Yes.
Everything Smith said and did make him false.
Pastor Art
many false prophets shall come and go, Smith has his own writings and teaching that are not of the Bible, that says it all
Probably....
Why am I not surprised?
Coming to a stop on the Susquehanna river,,and trying to be like Moses,,
Joseph Smith was a con-man, enough said.
http://en.fairmormon.org/Independence_te鈥?/a>
false prophet indeed, he was an a hole too.
he was on LSD
to answer your question......';yes';.
Prophesy is conditional. It is conditional on the people to whom it is given. The people were told things that based on their current condition or if they were to do certain things they would receive these blessings. It was fact that if the people were to follow the guidelines set they would have had the Temple in Independence built and the Saviour would have Come Again. However, they did not keep their end of the bargain.
It is the same way with the law of Tithing and the Word of Wisdom (not to mention all the rest of the rules God makes but these are the easiest to show). Tithing says if you keep it then you will receive blessings from heaven - even so much that you cannot receive it all. WoW states if you keep it you'll be healthy and have energy. You have to keep the laws and promises in order to get the results.
Joseph Smith was a false prophet. he made many false prophecies and has deceived many people.
He has met the Lord face to face. The consequences of his actions are apparent to him now... To bad it was too late for him. I just pray that others will really seek the truth and not suffer the same fate.
Do Ellen G. Whites prophecies on the Civil War prove her to be a false prophet?
http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/egw46.h鈥?/a>Do Ellen G. Whites prophecies on the Civil War prove her to be a false prophet?
The Bible, which says that there will be no more prophets, because everything has already been prophesied, proves that she is false.Do Ellen G. Whites prophecies on the Civil War prove her to be a false prophet?
I thought many of her comments on the war of northern aggression were insightful, and possibly indicated that she was sent of the Almighty.
I read it and my answer is SO? I did not read where she predicted anything, but I did read where others said that she did. She did make some statements, but that does not qualify as a prediction.
Yes. But keep in mind that there is no such thing as a true prophet.
I have not read any such prophecies regarding the civil war on the official Ellen White web site...
all that she said and did can be supported by the Bible...
and that bogus web site link is part of nexus which follows UFOs and other weird stuff...not much for factual info there...
Actually all prophets are false...as are false idols......
The Bible, which says that there will be no more prophets, because everything has already been prophesied, proves that she is false.Do Ellen G. Whites prophecies on the Civil War prove her to be a false prophet?
I thought many of her comments on the war of northern aggression were insightful, and possibly indicated that she was sent of the Almighty.
I read it and my answer is SO? I did not read where she predicted anything, but I did read where others said that she did. She did make some statements, but that does not qualify as a prediction.
Yes. But keep in mind that there is no such thing as a true prophet.
I have not read any such prophecies regarding the civil war on the official Ellen White web site...
all that she said and did can be supported by the Bible...
and that bogus web site link is part of nexus which follows UFOs and other weird stuff...not much for factual info there...
Actually all prophets are false...as are false idols......
An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled by the bible and none have ever been proven false...?
Has any other religious text been that accurate? Could God really be God and the bible the word of God? Or did its author have a crystal ball?An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled by the bible and none have ever been proven false...?
It's very easy to say that ';extremely vague'; equals ';accurate';.An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled by the bible and none have ever been proven false...?
Oh, jon, you do flatter! =0)
I believe that the whole reason God included prophecy in His Word is to prove to us doubting humans who He is and that He is in control and knows every detail about everything that goes on. He also told us these things so that we can be prepared to see them happening when they come, i.e. the prophecies concerning the first coming of the Messiah. It is up to us and our free will whether to see, believe, and acknowledge or not.
benhikin, EarthAngel, and bc_munkee,
I think this question is over-stated a bit. And yes, he should have been ready with some proof to back up the claim.
There are around 600 prophecies relating to Christ alone. Around 300 were fulfilled at His first coming (in exact detail) and another 300 are yet to be fulfilled by His second coming. I listed as many as I could put together in a year and have documented them at this link...
http://tinyurl.com/mbqa3
There are many other prophecies that have been fulfilled or are in the process. Here are a few that I have documented.
http://tinyurl.com/hhmjt
http://tinyurl.com/lhwnb
Prophecy does beg one to answer a crucial question, the existence of God and the validity of His Word.
http://schnebin.blogspot.com/2006/05/god鈥?/a>
bettierage - Would like to know what you find vague about the prophecies I have documented above. There are hundreds more regarding the coming of the Messiah, the calling of Cyrus the Mead by name to allow the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, and the re-establishment of the nation of Israel. The regathering of the nation of Israel in 1948 is incredibly precise in its fulfillment. Going as far as to explain its replanting of trees and being a large exporter of fruit. See a list of some of the prophecies at this link... http://www.konig.org/page3.htm
Note that an event like this has never happened before in all of history. In fact, Robert Anderson who was the inspector for Scotland Yard (who caught Jack the Ripper) took the book of Daniel as providing the date Messiah was to come. His incredible calculations pinpointed the DAY Jesus rode in to Jerusalem. For this, he was knighted by Queen Victoria and became Sir Robert Anderson. However, he read other prophesies regarding Israel becoming a nation again and thought that this was WAY too preposterous. No nation, after being conquered and scattered, EVER returned again to form a nation and a people. So it must have had some ';allegorical'; meaning to it. Well, in 1948, Sir Robert Anderson was proven wrong. Sir Robert Anderson believed the Bible, but his doubt in a wild claim such as Israel becoming a nation was too much for him. THAT is how accurate prophecy is. Before the fulfillment took place, Anderson assumed it was wrong (having lived in the Victorian era pre 1948). He twisted nothing, but assumed it was something else entirely.
Isaiah 34:16
';Search from the book of the LORD, and read: Not one of these shall fail; Not one shall lack her mate. For My mouth has commanded it, and His Spirit has gathered them.';
2 Peter 1:16-21 (condensed)
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty...and so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place...for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
As a Christian, I would really like to know how you respond to the prophesy in Ezekiel Chapter 29 that Nebuchadnezzar would conquer Egypt and Egypt would be laid waste for forty years. This never happened.
I am a Christian, but I have to admit that this is just one that Ezekiel apparantly got wrong. There are some who say it just has not happened yet, and I guess that is possible. Iraq could start calling itself Babylon again, and the failure of the American policy there could cause a monarchical form of Government to come to power, and one of those kings could be named Nebuchadnezzar. And I suppose that king could attack and conquer Egypt, but it is not likely.
:: Looks at bible, looks at him, looks at bible. ::
The world is flat...
The beast's number is 666...
Gee, seems this book is SOOO accurate, seeing as how all of us are dead...
- 16 yo Pagan
I expect a lot of quote mining of portions of text from the Tanakh as ';proof'; of your allegation. Should be fun.
By the way, do you think it's hypocrisy to use a portion of text in support of your views but tell someone who doesn't agree with you that if they use a portion of text that contradicts you that they somehow took it out of context? Just wondering.
No crystal ball - God really is God and the Bible is really the word of God and we will continue to see more the prophecies fulfilled just as accurately and no there have been none other come within a percentace of meeting their predictions.
That's a mighty big claim, where's your evidence?
No. Yes. No. He didn't need a crystal ball: He is The God.
And for the guy who asks which prophecies, the best way is to research it on your own. But the asker of this question is correct. Those prophecies have been fulfilled accurately and timely.
I have to ask you. What prophecies came true?
Do you have any proof, or am I just supposed to take your word for it.
What 668 prophecies are you talking about? Moses dying on a cliff just like the lord told him?
What a joke.
Some desire to disclaim the Bible's prophesies and accuracy because this would make people accountable to its writings. Archeologists have found artifacts from King Nebudchenezzar and Belshazzar, during King David and Solomon's reign, even proven the walls of Jericho where destroyed, not by fallen forward or backward, but they came straight down, AS THE BIBLE said
Until the doubters get proof of God's existence in their heart, they will continue to doubt. They do not want to be accountable to a God.Ltd
It's very easy to say that ';extremely vague'; equals ';accurate';.An astonishing 668 prophecies have been fulfilled by the bible and none have ever been proven false...?
Oh, jon, you do flatter! =0)
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I believe that the whole reason God included prophecy in His Word is to prove to us doubting humans who He is and that He is in control and knows every detail about everything that goes on. He also told us these things so that we can be prepared to see them happening when they come, i.e. the prophecies concerning the first coming of the Messiah. It is up to us and our free will whether to see, believe, and acknowledge or not.
benhikin, EarthAngel, and bc_munkee,
I think this question is over-stated a bit. And yes, he should have been ready with some proof to back up the claim.
There are around 600 prophecies relating to Christ alone. Around 300 were fulfilled at His first coming (in exact detail) and another 300 are yet to be fulfilled by His second coming. I listed as many as I could put together in a year and have documented them at this link...
http://tinyurl.com/mbqa3
There are many other prophecies that have been fulfilled or are in the process. Here are a few that I have documented.
http://tinyurl.com/hhmjt
http://tinyurl.com/lhwnb
Prophecy does beg one to answer a crucial question, the existence of God and the validity of His Word.
http://schnebin.blogspot.com/2006/05/god鈥?/a>
bettierage - Would like to know what you find vague about the prophecies I have documented above. There are hundreds more regarding the coming of the Messiah, the calling of Cyrus the Mead by name to allow the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem, and the re-establishment of the nation of Israel. The regathering of the nation of Israel in 1948 is incredibly precise in its fulfillment. Going as far as to explain its replanting of trees and being a large exporter of fruit. See a list of some of the prophecies at this link... http://www.konig.org/page3.htm
Note that an event like this has never happened before in all of history. In fact, Robert Anderson who was the inspector for Scotland Yard (who caught Jack the Ripper) took the book of Daniel as providing the date Messiah was to come. His incredible calculations pinpointed the DAY Jesus rode in to Jerusalem. For this, he was knighted by Queen Victoria and became Sir Robert Anderson. However, he read other prophesies regarding Israel becoming a nation again and thought that this was WAY too preposterous. No nation, after being conquered and scattered, EVER returned again to form a nation and a people. So it must have had some ';allegorical'; meaning to it. Well, in 1948, Sir Robert Anderson was proven wrong. Sir Robert Anderson believed the Bible, but his doubt in a wild claim such as Israel becoming a nation was too much for him. THAT is how accurate prophecy is. Before the fulfillment took place, Anderson assumed it was wrong (having lived in the Victorian era pre 1948). He twisted nothing, but assumed it was something else entirely.
Isaiah 34:16
';Search from the book of the LORD, and read: Not one of these shall fail; Not one shall lack her mate. For My mouth has commanded it, and His Spirit has gathered them.';
2 Peter 1:16-21 (condensed)
For we did not follow cunningly devised fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty...and so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place...for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
As a Christian, I would really like to know how you respond to the prophesy in Ezekiel Chapter 29 that Nebuchadnezzar would conquer Egypt and Egypt would be laid waste for forty years. This never happened.
I am a Christian, but I have to admit that this is just one that Ezekiel apparantly got wrong. There are some who say it just has not happened yet, and I guess that is possible. Iraq could start calling itself Babylon again, and the failure of the American policy there could cause a monarchical form of Government to come to power, and one of those kings could be named Nebuchadnezzar. And I suppose that king could attack and conquer Egypt, but it is not likely.
:: Looks at bible, looks at him, looks at bible. ::
The world is flat...
The beast's number is 666...
Gee, seems this book is SOOO accurate, seeing as how all of us are dead...
- 16 yo Pagan
I expect a lot of quote mining of portions of text from the Tanakh as ';proof'; of your allegation. Should be fun.
By the way, do you think it's hypocrisy to use a portion of text in support of your views but tell someone who doesn't agree with you that if they use a portion of text that contradicts you that they somehow took it out of context? Just wondering.
No crystal ball - God really is God and the Bible is really the word of God and we will continue to see more the prophecies fulfilled just as accurately and no there have been none other come within a percentace of meeting their predictions.
That's a mighty big claim, where's your evidence?
No. Yes. No. He didn't need a crystal ball: He is The God.
And for the guy who asks which prophecies, the best way is to research it on your own. But the asker of this question is correct. Those prophecies have been fulfilled accurately and timely.
I have to ask you. What prophecies came true?
Do you have any proof, or am I just supposed to take your word for it.
What 668 prophecies are you talking about? Moses dying on a cliff just like the lord told him?
What a joke.
Some desire to disclaim the Bible's prophesies and accuracy because this would make people accountable to its writings. Archeologists have found artifacts from King Nebudchenezzar and Belshazzar, during King David and Solomon's reign, even proven the walls of Jericho where destroyed, not by fallen forward or backward, but they came straight down, AS THE BIBLE said
Until the doubters get proof of God's existence in their heart, they will continue to doubt. They do not want to be accountable to a God.
If the Bible is false, then why are its prophecies so accurate?
Here are some examples:
Genesis:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
3:6 ... and he did eat.
5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died
In Genesis, God predicted that Adam would die the day he ate from the tree. It took a day + 930 years. That's pretty accurate, right?
How about this one? It's about King Solomon and is from 2 Samuel:
7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
Since Solomon's Kingdom of Israel is still around and wasn't destroyed by the Assyrian Empire in around 720 B.C., this prophecy came true as well.
In light of all these ';fulfilled'; prophecies, how can people not believe in the Bible?If the Bible is false, then why are its prophecies so accurate?
Vishal, the bible is not a math book. If you're looking for ';factual errors'; (to quote an atheist yesterday) and you spend your time digging deep enought to find it, BINGO! you found one and then you sarcastically ask a question to say ';gotcha!';Well so what, pat yourself on the back and remember, in Animal Farm there were talking animals too and it's considered great literature, the bible with all its metaphors, analogies and parables is poetic literature, but with a clear message.If the Bible is false, then why are its prophecies so accurate?
Understood, thank you for the explanation.
Much in the book were scribed after the fact, and much in it ARE inaccurate. Now I'm not condemning the bible; just be wary of what's in there.
The best question ever asked on here. And some of the answers are so funny - it seems many people can't actually read.
nice one!
No prophecy that was presumably written and fulfilled in Genesis could be considered as prophetic simply because Genesis was written thousands of years after the events took place.
In 2 Samuel, I take the words ';for ever'; to mean ';for ever';. Where is that house, where is that throne? I don't know of any extant Kings in Israel.
The two examples you just gave don't show anything. When prophecy is written purposely vague, it isn't prophecy.
Nostradamus has been shown to be as accurate as the Bible. If you believe the Bible because of such ';fulfilled prophecy'; do you also believe Nostradamus?
i'm not christian and didnt bother to check your facts but,i think your exactly the type of person who should listen to
patcondell
a guy from youtube,
stuff that he said that you should practice (he took these quotes from the bible)
you shouldnt pray on the streets go home lock yourself in a closet and pray there
the bible is just miracles because if it wasnt for the miracles nobody would listen
also watch his video title is jesus gay?
You missed it my friend. Adam was going to live forever until he ate of that evil tree. Adam would not have died at 930 years old. Adam would be alive today. God got Adam out of the Garden quick because the tree of life was in that garden also. And if evil Adam had eaten of the tree of life, then evil would exist forever, but Adam didn't. So Jesus was able to come and take away those evil sins of the world that Adam brought into the world. Salvation is a free gift of God. Accept it.
The Throne of David, Solomon's father has been established forever and when Christ returns He will sit on the Throne of David in the New Jerusalem. He was crucified with a sign over His head, ';King of the Jews.'; This prophecy is yet to be fulfilled when Jesus returns. As long as the King lives His throne is established forever. I serve a living God and King of Kings. Seek you first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be added unto you. Seek God, my friend.
you've convinced me.....
wait, what? those are false...you're having us on, aren't you?
';how can people not believe in the Bible?';
Perhaps they are Hindus or Muslims or Atheists. These people don't care for your bible.
If I write a fictional story, does that mean I can`t incude chapters from the encyclopidia.
The bible is a mix of truths lies and half truths...!!
i believe in the bible 100%ti really tell you all the things that going to occur before it hapens
Both were full filled; however not in the way that you think. The Genesis passage says that ';IN THE DAY that you eat of it you will surely die.'; You are right, Adam lived 930 years after that day. But he did die spiritually as we all do the moment we sin. Notice what is said in Romans 6:23 and James 1:13-15.
The second passage was talking about David not Solomon. He was to raise up from his (David's) descendants a King and a Kingdom. You are correct in that Solomon's kingdom did come to an end two to three times in history. Then we know that this isn't the kingdom that we are talking about. Jesus (a descendant of David) is reigning right now, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, Hebrews 2:7-8, and Matthew 28:19. We then are part of His Kingdom which is His Church. Notice that John mentions that he is in the kingdom, Revelation 1:6,9. Also look at Colossians 1:13.
These as well as all the prophecies in the Bible are accurate.
THE BIBLE IS NOT FALSE.
lol, n im not even a Christian, BUT i am standing up for what i believe..
Your first question or statement is true.Adam and Eve died spiritually there eye where opened and they knew they had sinned and they where ashamed. They had a perfect relationship with God. They could talk to him just like we talk to each other. But since they choose to do wrong they died a spiritual death and where cast from a perfect place the Garden of Eden.
I wanna know what kinda fruit that was that made him surely die 930 years later.
I'll start serving it at my restaurants (with some really good 2000 calorie dippin' sauce).
I'm lovin' it.
LMAO.
Gosh, I'm convinced-thanks
I see you have been reading the Bible again -- dangerous stuff.
Don't you enjoy the pornographic Song of Solomon? lol
The first prophecy wasn't so much a prophecy as a warning. God said that if Adam ate the fruit, he would die. That death wasn't a physical one, obviously. It was spiritual. This is backed up in scripture all over the place, as we are told that man is spiritually dead until he is made spiritually alive again by Jesus Christ - that is why it is called being ';born again';. Although, part of that spiritual death was Adam and Eve's eventual physical deaths as well.
The second one is talking about Solomon's bloodline. Both Mary and Joseph, Jesus' parents, were descendants from Solomon's bloodline. There was no king of Israel when Jesus was born, but technically Joseph would have been on the throne if the country was still run that way. And since Jesus was Joseph's son, He was next in line for the throne. One day Jesus is going to reign physically here on earth from the throne in Israel, thus fulfilling that prophecy of Solomon's throne being established forever.
Your effort is ';good'; I suppose, but it is flawed in that you show a basic lack of understanding of the Bible and its principles. Of course it makes no sense to you - it is only discerned by the help of the Holy Spirit, and you do not have His help because you aren't saved. You are welcome to keep trying though!
if prohecy is a test for finding whether bible is true or false,then i can give you a number of unfulfilled prophesies and let you decide whether bible is true or not:
if you read Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says… ‘God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.’ Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says…‘Cain built up a city’ – unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that…‘Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin… no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.’ If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that… ‘Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne’ - Unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that…‘Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.’ We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy. Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of…‘The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.’ They say… the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is ‘amla’, which means not ‘a virgin’- ‘a young lady.’ The word for ‘virgin’ in Hebrew is, ‘baitula’, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree… ‘Virgin’… ‘Virgin’ - No problem. It says… ‘He will be called Immanuel.’ No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy.
One is sufficient to prove the Bible wrong - I have given a few clear unfulfilled prophesies.
... who ever said it WAS false?
:0)
If one grows up reading the ancient Hebrew prophets and then writes a new testament, of course, he will show that the predictions came true.
If the bible ever predicted the exact words,';Space Shuttle'; or ';Dinosaur';, and not stretchy translations of them like ';Behemoth or dragon'; I'd be more impressed.
You know my rules.. thumbs up.= you agree with me.. thumbs down = I'm right and I've pissed you off. DEAL WITH IT!
That's why its called the word of God. Many scriptures have been full filled. Like in Isaiah where it talks about Jesus being born, but many Jews still do not realize that came true. I believe in Isaiah where it talks about he will be bruised for our iniquities, that came true.
Nostradamus has a pretty good track record, how do you explain that?
I was alway very fascinated about the virgin birth prophesy!
Isaiah 7:14-16 (KJV) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin* (Heb=young girl) shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel* (*not “Jesus”!). Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil (Jesus[?] in need to learn how to refuse EVIL!), and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
After this “virgin” lady gives birth the boy is quite a little devil and needs to learn to reject EVIL and choose to do good! This is mentioned twice! Please correct me if I am wrong! The Early Church Fathers and some Gospel writers had to take everything out of context to make it work!
Christianity today is banking on a “virgin birth” pregnancy without sexual intercourse when the Early Church Fathers claim that the Blessed Virgin Mary was drenched in Holy Dew* (*Semen) from head to toe! (Apocrypha - Gospel of Saint Bartholomew chapter 2)
GOSPEL OF SAINT BARTHOLOMEW
http://www.gnosis.org/library/gosbart.ht…
Chapter II (2)
3 Bartholomew therefore said unto Peter: Thou that art the chief, and my teacher, draw near and ask her. But Peter said to John: Thou art a virgin and undefiled and thou must ask her.
4 And as they all doubted and disputed, Bartholomew came near unto her with a cheerful countenance and said to her: Thou that art highly favored the tabernacle of the Most High, unblemished we, even all the apostles, ask thee to tell us how thou didst conceive the incomprehensible.
5 But Mary said unto them: Ask me not concerning this mystery. If I should begin to tell you, fire will issue forth out of my mouth and consume all the world.
6 But they continued yet the more to ask her. And she, for she could not refuse to hear the apostles, said: Let us stand up in prayer
14 And when she had ended the prayer she began to say unto them: Let us sit down upon the ground; and come thou, Peter the chief, and sit on my right hand and put thy left hand beneath mine armpit; and thou, Andrew, do so on my left hand; and thou, John, the virgin, hold together my bosom; and thou, Bartholomew, set thy knees against my back and hold my shoulders, lest when I begin to speak my bones be loosed one from another.
15 And when they had so done she began to say: When I abode in the temple of God, on a certain day there appeared unto me one in the likeness of an angel.
16 And straightway the veil of the temple was rent and there was a very great earthquake, and I fell upon the earth, for I was not able to endure the sight of him.
17 But he put his hand beneath me and raised me up, and I looked up into heaven and there came a cloud of dew and sprinkled me from the head to the feet, and he wiped me with his robe.
Probably the Blessed Virgin Mary's blue dress was stained with a heavy dose of Heavenly dew, too. ';Angel'; is plain ';messenger'; in Greek. There is no distinction in the Greek on whether the messenger that was assisting the Blessed Virgin Mary in her heaven made copulation was human or Celestial being. According to Saint Bartholomew there was a whole gang of ';messengers'; assisting the Blessed Virgin Mary to copulate with the Holy Spook. Evidently Saint Gabriel was the head angel (no pun intended).
I am only pasting what the early church fathers knew about the Holy Conception! Today Cristians are very much in denial and I am about to be banned out of Yahoo for telling it like it is in Christianity!
The prophecies are accurate because the Bible isn't false.
Not all people recognize these truths.
The truth is revealed to those who love and seek the truth.
A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day.
The day of the Lord is the millennial rule of Christ and is one thousand years,
because it contains both , word of God and word of man
some istrue
and other false prophecies are obviously,,, not the word of God.
the bible doesn't contain prophecies it tells stories. since adam died long before the bible was written it can't be considered a prophecies. you can't start an argument with a false statement and then feel righteous about your conclusions.
Good question. I believe the Bible is true...but then again I am a Christian. You are right about the prophecies, and there are more that have been coming true also. Like you won't be able to really tell the seasons apart...that's happening right now. It should be freezing right now, but in Oklahoma it's in the mid 50's and 60's NOT NORMAL. So...I guess it just depends on the person. I don't understand why people don't believe it either.
Bible is not 100% false. Real meanings of many words do get lost in translations. Also translators add their own views and interpretations translating from one language to another. When a message is translated from one language to second and from second to third it becomes something else too - not 100% but meanings of many message do change. Since original languages are dead, how translations can be verified. Arabic is living language and Quran's translators can not mess its meanings because it gets checked and corrected. Muslims always read the Arabic text. Daily prayers are valid only when said in original Arabic text.
The self-authenticating, God-breathed Word, contained in the Old and New Testaments, is sufficient for faith and practice.
Genesis:
2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
3:6 ... and he did eat.
5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died
In Genesis, God predicted that Adam would die the day he ate from the tree. It took a day + 930 years. That's pretty accurate, right?
How about this one? It's about King Solomon and is from 2 Samuel:
7:13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
7:16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
Since Solomon's Kingdom of Israel is still around and wasn't destroyed by the Assyrian Empire in around 720 B.C., this prophecy came true as well.
In light of all these ';fulfilled'; prophecies, how can people not believe in the Bible?If the Bible is false, then why are its prophecies so accurate?
Vishal, the bible is not a math book. If you're looking for ';factual errors'; (to quote an atheist yesterday) and you spend your time digging deep enought to find it, BINGO! you found one and then you sarcastically ask a question to say ';gotcha!';Well so what, pat yourself on the back and remember, in Animal Farm there were talking animals too and it's considered great literature, the bible with all its metaphors, analogies and parables is poetic literature, but with a clear message.If the Bible is false, then why are its prophecies so accurate?
Understood, thank you for the explanation.
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Much in the book were scribed after the fact, and much in it ARE inaccurate. Now I'm not condemning the bible; just be wary of what's in there.
The best question ever asked on here. And some of the answers are so funny - it seems many people can't actually read.
nice one!
No prophecy that was presumably written and fulfilled in Genesis could be considered as prophetic simply because Genesis was written thousands of years after the events took place.
In 2 Samuel, I take the words ';for ever'; to mean ';for ever';. Where is that house, where is that throne? I don't know of any extant Kings in Israel.
The two examples you just gave don't show anything. When prophecy is written purposely vague, it isn't prophecy.
Nostradamus has been shown to be as accurate as the Bible. If you believe the Bible because of such ';fulfilled prophecy'; do you also believe Nostradamus?
i'm not christian and didnt bother to check your facts but,i think your exactly the type of person who should listen to
patcondell
a guy from youtube,
stuff that he said that you should practice (he took these quotes from the bible)
you shouldnt pray on the streets go home lock yourself in a closet and pray there
the bible is just miracles because if it wasnt for the miracles nobody would listen
also watch his video title is jesus gay?
You missed it my friend. Adam was going to live forever until he ate of that evil tree. Adam would not have died at 930 years old. Adam would be alive today. God got Adam out of the Garden quick because the tree of life was in that garden also. And if evil Adam had eaten of the tree of life, then evil would exist forever, but Adam didn't. So Jesus was able to come and take away those evil sins of the world that Adam brought into the world. Salvation is a free gift of God. Accept it.
The Throne of David, Solomon's father has been established forever and when Christ returns He will sit on the Throne of David in the New Jerusalem. He was crucified with a sign over His head, ';King of the Jews.'; This prophecy is yet to be fulfilled when Jesus returns. As long as the King lives His throne is established forever. I serve a living God and King of Kings. Seek you first the Kingdom of God and everything else will be added unto you. Seek God, my friend.
you've convinced me.....
wait, what? those are false...you're having us on, aren't you?
';how can people not believe in the Bible?';
Perhaps they are Hindus or Muslims or Atheists. These people don't care for your bible.
If I write a fictional story, does that mean I can`t incude chapters from the encyclopidia.
The bible is a mix of truths lies and half truths...!!
i believe in the bible 100%ti really tell you all the things that going to occur before it hapens
Both were full filled; however not in the way that you think. The Genesis passage says that ';IN THE DAY that you eat of it you will surely die.'; You are right, Adam lived 930 years after that day. But he did die spiritually as we all do the moment we sin. Notice what is said in Romans 6:23 and James 1:13-15.
The second passage was talking about David not Solomon. He was to raise up from his (David's) descendants a King and a Kingdom. You are correct in that Solomon's kingdom did come to an end two to three times in history. Then we know that this isn't the kingdom that we are talking about. Jesus (a descendant of David) is reigning right now, 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, Hebrews 2:7-8, and Matthew 28:19. We then are part of His Kingdom which is His Church. Notice that John mentions that he is in the kingdom, Revelation 1:6,9. Also look at Colossians 1:13.
These as well as all the prophecies in the Bible are accurate.
THE BIBLE IS NOT FALSE.
lol, n im not even a Christian, BUT i am standing up for what i believe..
Your first question or statement is true.Adam and Eve died spiritually there eye where opened and they knew they had sinned and they where ashamed. They had a perfect relationship with God. They could talk to him just like we talk to each other. But since they choose to do wrong they died a spiritual death and where cast from a perfect place the Garden of Eden.
I wanna know what kinda fruit that was that made him surely die 930 years later.
I'll start serving it at my restaurants (with some really good 2000 calorie dippin' sauce).
I'm lovin' it.
LMAO.
Gosh, I'm convinced-thanks
I see you have been reading the Bible again -- dangerous stuff.
Don't you enjoy the pornographic Song of Solomon? lol
The first prophecy wasn't so much a prophecy as a warning. God said that if Adam ate the fruit, he would die. That death wasn't a physical one, obviously. It was spiritual. This is backed up in scripture all over the place, as we are told that man is spiritually dead until he is made spiritually alive again by Jesus Christ - that is why it is called being ';born again';. Although, part of that spiritual death was Adam and Eve's eventual physical deaths as well.
The second one is talking about Solomon's bloodline. Both Mary and Joseph, Jesus' parents, were descendants from Solomon's bloodline. There was no king of Israel when Jesus was born, but technically Joseph would have been on the throne if the country was still run that way. And since Jesus was Joseph's son, He was next in line for the throne. One day Jesus is going to reign physically here on earth from the throne in Israel, thus fulfilling that prophecy of Solomon's throne being established forever.
Your effort is ';good'; I suppose, but it is flawed in that you show a basic lack of understanding of the Bible and its principles. Of course it makes no sense to you - it is only discerned by the help of the Holy Spirit, and you do not have His help because you aren't saved. You are welcome to keep trying though!
if prohecy is a test for finding whether bible is true or false,then i can give you a number of unfulfilled prophesies and let you decide whether bible is true or not:
if you read Genesis, Chapter No. 4, Verse No. 12, it says… ‘God told Cain: you will never be able to settle you will be a wanderer.’ Few Verses later on Genesis, Chapter No.4, Verse No.17, says…‘Cain built up a city’ – unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Jeremiah, Chapter No.36, Verse No.30, it says that…‘Jehoiachin the father of Jehoiachin… no one will be able to sit on his throne - The throne of David, no one will be able to sit after Jehoiachin.’ If you read later on, II Kings, Chapter No 24, Verse No 6, it says that… ‘Jehoiachin after he died, later on Jehoiachin sat on the throne’ - Unfulfilled prophecy. If you read Ezekiel, Chapter No 26, it says that…‘Nebuchader, he will destroyed Tyre.’ We come to know that Alexander the great, was the person who destroyed Tyre - Unfulfilled prophecy. Isaiah, Chapter No. 7, Verse No 14, says, prophesying of…‘The coming of a person who will be born to a virgin - his name shall be Emmanuel.’ They say… the Christians - it refers to Jesus Christ peace be upon him. Born to a virgin - the Hebrew word there is ‘amla’, which means not ‘a virgin’- ‘a young lady.’ The word for ‘virgin’ in Hebrew is, ‘baitula’, which is not there. Even if you agree - we are using concordance - we agree… ‘Virgin’… ‘Virgin’ - No problem. It says… ‘He will be called Immanuel.’ No where in the Bible is Jesus Christ peace be upon him, is called as Immanuel - Unfulfilled prophecy.
One is sufficient to prove the Bible wrong - I have given a few clear unfulfilled prophesies.
... who ever said it WAS false?
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If one grows up reading the ancient Hebrew prophets and then writes a new testament, of course, he will show that the predictions came true.
If the bible ever predicted the exact words,';Space Shuttle'; or ';Dinosaur';, and not stretchy translations of them like ';Behemoth or dragon'; I'd be more impressed.
You know my rules.. thumbs up.= you agree with me.. thumbs down = I'm right and I've pissed you off. DEAL WITH IT!
That's why its called the word of God. Many scriptures have been full filled. Like in Isaiah where it talks about Jesus being born, but many Jews still do not realize that came true. I believe in Isaiah where it talks about he will be bruised for our iniquities, that came true.
Nostradamus has a pretty good track record, how do you explain that?
I was alway very fascinated about the virgin birth prophesy!
Isaiah 7:14-16 (KJV) Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin* (Heb=young girl) shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel* (*not “Jesus”!). Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil (Jesus[?] in need to learn how to refuse EVIL!), and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
After this “virgin” lady gives birth the boy is quite a little devil and needs to learn to reject EVIL and choose to do good! This is mentioned twice! Please correct me if I am wrong! The Early Church Fathers and some Gospel writers had to take everything out of context to make it work!
Christianity today is banking on a “virgin birth” pregnancy without sexual intercourse when the Early Church Fathers claim that the Blessed Virgin Mary was drenched in Holy Dew* (*Semen) from head to toe! (Apocrypha - Gospel of Saint Bartholomew chapter 2)
GOSPEL OF SAINT BARTHOLOMEW
http://www.gnosis.org/library/gosbart.ht…
Chapter II (2)
3 Bartholomew therefore said unto Peter: Thou that art the chief, and my teacher, draw near and ask her. But Peter said to John: Thou art a virgin and undefiled and thou must ask her.
4 And as they all doubted and disputed, Bartholomew came near unto her with a cheerful countenance and said to her: Thou that art highly favored the tabernacle of the Most High, unblemished we, even all the apostles, ask thee to tell us how thou didst conceive the incomprehensible.
5 But Mary said unto them: Ask me not concerning this mystery. If I should begin to tell you, fire will issue forth out of my mouth and consume all the world.
6 But they continued yet the more to ask her. And she, for she could not refuse to hear the apostles, said: Let us stand up in prayer
14 And when she had ended the prayer she began to say unto them: Let us sit down upon the ground; and come thou, Peter the chief, and sit on my right hand and put thy left hand beneath mine armpit; and thou, Andrew, do so on my left hand; and thou, John, the virgin, hold together my bosom; and thou, Bartholomew, set thy knees against my back and hold my shoulders, lest when I begin to speak my bones be loosed one from another.
15 And when they had so done she began to say: When I abode in the temple of God, on a certain day there appeared unto me one in the likeness of an angel.
16 And straightway the veil of the temple was rent and there was a very great earthquake, and I fell upon the earth, for I was not able to endure the sight of him.
17 But he put his hand beneath me and raised me up, and I looked up into heaven and there came a cloud of dew and sprinkled me from the head to the feet, and he wiped me with his robe.
Probably the Blessed Virgin Mary's blue dress was stained with a heavy dose of Heavenly dew, too. ';Angel'; is plain ';messenger'; in Greek. There is no distinction in the Greek on whether the messenger that was assisting the Blessed Virgin Mary in her heaven made copulation was human or Celestial being. According to Saint Bartholomew there was a whole gang of ';messengers'; assisting the Blessed Virgin Mary to copulate with the Holy Spook. Evidently Saint Gabriel was the head angel (no pun intended).
I am only pasting what the early church fathers knew about the Holy Conception! Today Cristians are very much in denial and I am about to be banned out of Yahoo for telling it like it is in Christianity!
The prophecies are accurate because the Bible isn't false.
Not all people recognize these truths.
The truth is revealed to those who love and seek the truth.
A day is as a thousand years and a thousand years is as one day.
The day of the Lord is the millennial rule of Christ and is one thousand years,
because it contains both , word of God and word of man
some istrue
and other false prophecies are obviously,,, not the word of God.
the bible doesn't contain prophecies it tells stories. since adam died long before the bible was written it can't be considered a prophecies. you can't start an argument with a false statement and then feel righteous about your conclusions.
Good question. I believe the Bible is true...but then again I am a Christian. You are right about the prophecies, and there are more that have been coming true also. Like you won't be able to really tell the seasons apart...that's happening right now. It should be freezing right now, but in Oklahoma it's in the mid 50's and 60's NOT NORMAL. So...I guess it just depends on the person. I don't understand why people don't believe it either.
Bible is not 100% false. Real meanings of many words do get lost in translations. Also translators add their own views and interpretations translating from one language to another. When a message is translated from one language to second and from second to third it becomes something else too - not 100% but meanings of many message do change. Since original languages are dead, how translations can be verified. Arabic is living language and Quran's translators can not mess its meanings because it gets checked and corrected. Muslims always read the Arabic text. Daily prayers are valid only when said in original Arabic text.
The self-authenticating, God-breathed Word, contained in the Old and New Testaments, is sufficient for faith and practice.
What is it with pentecostal Church's and false prophets? are the prophecies even real?
For one and I may be wrong, it is the only church that does it.
But I see allot of false prophet's from some of the ones that speak in church. Like to day I got angry and kinda spoke my mind as she was speaking as if she was God. She studders sometimes or loses thought, and she pauses to think what she is going to say next. GOD IS PERFECT. If he uses her body and speaks threw her, it is him, not her and GOD IS WISE. He does not need to think to talk to us and think what he is going to say next. Thinking is for the dumb. This prophet made me so angry I spoke out loud and was mad at her. Telling people false prophicy. And showing why.
and 2 but it is something I still need to seek unto God about. So do not follow. She is a woman, woman are not allowed to speek in church, and man are slaves of God, woman are slaves of men. Genesis 3:16 last part. God rules over man. I was not angry because she was a woman though. Just of all the mistakes in the propehy, as if God needed a englsh lesson.What is it with pentecostal Church's and false prophets? are the prophecies even real?
true prophesy is rare..........not everyone who gets in the mood is real.....in fact, most are speaking from their own imaginations
if it is real;
it is 100% accurate
it is not just a bunch of general ';stuff';...like oh children, seek my face....repent....blah ..blah...blah.....God has mighty plans for you....God loves you.....
God will give some unknown details to prove it is Him...a specific ';word'; that no one there could possibly know ..and then this will show to be true.
it flows
it should ';blow you away'; - when God spoke in the bible....people fell to their knees in fear and awe.What is it with pentecostal Church's and false prophets? are the prophecies even real?
i try not to judge ...just stick with the source ..
';Thinking is for the dumb.';wow...just wow
In order for one to be a paster, preacher, or teacher of the word of God, they have to be chosen by God and anointed by the Holy Spirit in order to teach the Word of God. The Bible as you know teaches in the Last Days that many will come in His name and it will not be him, and many will be false Prophets preaching false doctrine. We are to be on the look out for this, and it is happening in all the Churches not just the Pentecostal. We are to stay away from False Teaching and to point out error. I wouldn't be able to attend a Church that is not preaching the Word of God.
Obviously you are not burdened with original thought.
I noticed that about some of the people in my old church. Sometimes one would speak in tongues and someone else would begin to interpret and once the pastor's wife didn't hear the first person interpreting and she started speaking over her on the microphone her own interpretation that was different from the first one. I witnessed a pastor do that once in another church, too. I think that people are people, we're human and subject to error. I think they all thought they had the interpretation from God. Obviously only one of them did but who knows which one did! lol
First, you are a child of the Lord in heaven and no WOMAN is BENEATH a MAN with respect in the eyes of ';God.'; This concept is of RELIGION and not of the holy in heaven. What is written in scripture was that of a life 2000 years ago and NOT the role of women EVER. What Paul writes in his Epistles CONTRADICTED even then all Jesus taught.
As for ';prophesy,'; NO prophesy is JUST if it pertains to the killing or destruction of ANYONE. Jesus even taught this when he said we should love our ENEMIES. Why would the Lord in heaven wish to DESTROY mankind? It is ILLOGICAL to his NATURE and his BEHAVIORS for one and is a misconception of mankind in it's religions to think that they can go around prophesing how God is going to KILL the unjust and reward the just. Those who are UNBELIEVERS punish THEMSELVES and need no help from the Lord in heaven for punishing them, for they do a good enogh job of that themselves. As for false prophets, there are many who would take on the shoes and say they are JESUS or GOD but NONE can fill their shoes for none is without SIN. Jesus was our Father on earth, and except for the powers over this reality Jesus gave his Apostles, no other person IS Jesus on earth but HIM, nor is any one of us worthy enough to have the father in us. Men and women in religions all make false proclaimations and it comes from the nature of SATAN to fill them with pure VANITY. Jesus said we must all be as CHILDREN. So how are ';children?'; Children are naive and humble for they know little of life and knowledge. It is better to be as a CHILD than a vain egotist proclaiming things upon the holy in heaven our delusions and vain nature have lead us to believe is true, when it is NOT.
But I see allot of false prophet's from some of the ones that speak in church. Like to day I got angry and kinda spoke my mind as she was speaking as if she was God. She studders sometimes or loses thought, and she pauses to think what she is going to say next. GOD IS PERFECT. If he uses her body and speaks threw her, it is him, not her and GOD IS WISE. He does not need to think to talk to us and think what he is going to say next. Thinking is for the dumb. This prophet made me so angry I spoke out loud and was mad at her. Telling people false prophicy. And showing why.
and 2 but it is something I still need to seek unto God about. So do not follow. She is a woman, woman are not allowed to speek in church, and man are slaves of God, woman are slaves of men. Genesis 3:16 last part. God rules over man. I was not angry because she was a woman though. Just of all the mistakes in the propehy, as if God needed a englsh lesson.What is it with pentecostal Church's and false prophets? are the prophecies even real?
true prophesy is rare..........not everyone who gets in the mood is real.....in fact, most are speaking from their own imaginations
if it is real;
it is 100% accurate
it is not just a bunch of general ';stuff';...like oh children, seek my face....repent....blah ..blah...blah.....God has mighty plans for you....God loves you.....
God will give some unknown details to prove it is Him...a specific ';word'; that no one there could possibly know ..and then this will show to be true.
it flows
it should ';blow you away'; - when God spoke in the bible....people fell to their knees in fear and awe.What is it with pentecostal Church's and false prophets? are the prophecies even real?
i try not to judge ...just stick with the source ..
';Thinking is for the dumb.';wow...just wow
In order for one to be a paster, preacher, or teacher of the word of God, they have to be chosen by God and anointed by the Holy Spirit in order to teach the Word of God. The Bible as you know teaches in the Last Days that many will come in His name and it will not be him, and many will be false Prophets preaching false doctrine. We are to be on the look out for this, and it is happening in all the Churches not just the Pentecostal. We are to stay away from False Teaching and to point out error. I wouldn't be able to attend a Church that is not preaching the Word of God.
Obviously you are not burdened with original thought.
I noticed that about some of the people in my old church. Sometimes one would speak in tongues and someone else would begin to interpret and once the pastor's wife didn't hear the first person interpreting and she started speaking over her on the microphone her own interpretation that was different from the first one. I witnessed a pastor do that once in another church, too. I think that people are people, we're human and subject to error. I think they all thought they had the interpretation from God. Obviously only one of them did but who knows which one did! lol
First, you are a child of the Lord in heaven and no WOMAN is BENEATH a MAN with respect in the eyes of ';God.'; This concept is of RELIGION and not of the holy in heaven. What is written in scripture was that of a life 2000 years ago and NOT the role of women EVER. What Paul writes in his Epistles CONTRADICTED even then all Jesus taught.
As for ';prophesy,'; NO prophesy is JUST if it pertains to the killing or destruction of ANYONE. Jesus even taught this when he said we should love our ENEMIES. Why would the Lord in heaven wish to DESTROY mankind? It is ILLOGICAL to his NATURE and his BEHAVIORS for one and is a misconception of mankind in it's religions to think that they can go around prophesing how God is going to KILL the unjust and reward the just. Those who are UNBELIEVERS punish THEMSELVES and need no help from the Lord in heaven for punishing them, for they do a good enogh job of that themselves. As for false prophets, there are many who would take on the shoes and say they are JESUS or GOD but NONE can fill their shoes for none is without SIN. Jesus was our Father on earth, and except for the powers over this reality Jesus gave his Apostles, no other person IS Jesus on earth but HIM, nor is any one of us worthy enough to have the father in us. Men and women in religions all make false proclaimations and it comes from the nature of SATAN to fill them with pure VANITY. Jesus said we must all be as CHILDREN. So how are ';children?'; Children are naive and humble for they know little of life and knowledge. It is better to be as a CHILD than a vain egotist proclaiming things upon the holy in heaven our delusions and vain nature have lead us to believe is true, when it is NOT.
Is there a database that shows the false rate or success rate or mormon prophecies?
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_pro鈥?/a>Is there a database that shows the false rate or success rate or mormon prophecies?
Sure:
If you ask a Mormon like myself it's 100% accurate.
If you ask an anti-mormon it's 0% accurate.
If you research the religion and ask God if it's true or not then you can come to your own decision.
Prophecies are not meant to convince people. Once the framework of faith is there, they are clear to see.Is there a database that shows the false rate or success rate or mormon prophecies?
Soupbone, Walter Martin was a fraud.
Kingdom of the cults, by Walter Martin.
Sure:
If you ask a Mormon like myself it's 100% accurate.
If you ask an anti-mormon it's 0% accurate.
If you research the religion and ask God if it's true or not then you can come to your own decision.
Prophecies are not meant to convince people. Once the framework of faith is there, they are clear to see.Is there a database that shows the false rate or success rate or mormon prophecies?
Soupbone, Walter Martin was a fraud.
Kingdom of the cults, by Walter Martin.
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