Jesus said he will come in the glory of this father, and he will reward every man according to his works; and there would be some standing there listening to him that would not die until they see him coming in his kingdom, with his angels.
All the people who were in his audience are long dead and gone and he has not returned.
What? No he was not talking about the transfiguration, because only his disciples saw that -- and he was not coming with his angels.
This was Jesus' most famous false prophecy. Anyone care to comment? I'm asking this question on Yahoo-Answers, and on two other forums, and I'm compiling all serious answers, and I thank all who respond.
For correlating passages see also Matthew 23:36
Also Mark 9:1 and Mark 13:30
Luke 9:27 and Luke 21:32Anyone care to comment on Jesus' most famous false prophecy?
I agree. It is a false prophecy. This alone excludes him from being God or a messiah. You've just proved the entire Christian religion is based on sham and falsehood. Star for you!Anyone care to comment on Jesus' most famous false prophecy?
You're just trying to pick a fight.
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Chances are this is a prophecy which has yet to be fulfilled. There do yet exist those...
It is not a false prophecy. In spite of what you claim, I believe Jesus could have been talking about the Transfiguration (but see my second answer, too). Jesus exact words:
First Answer:
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Mat. 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
We know His disciples were standing there. Indeed, in context, it is highly likely that *only* His disciples were standing there:
Mat 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to show unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples...
Then, the very next chapter:
Mat. 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart,
Mat. 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat. 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.
He was transformed into His Divine image -- AS HE WOULD LOOK AT HIS SECOND COMING.
Second Answer:
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However, even beyond that, John the Revelator did see Jesus' actual Second Coming in vision. This is a definite possible fulfillment of the prophecy because Jesus *did* say, ';...some standing here, which shall not taste of death...'; -- the implication being that some *would* have tasted of death before the prophecy was fulfilled. Some of the disciples had definitely already died before John the Revelator had his visions and wrote the Revelation of Jesus Christ.
Now, some will still argue over that word, ';There be *some* standing here...'; They will say, ';The use of the word 'some' implies more than one.'; My answer is that we know at least three saw the glorified Jesus in His Kingdom and after His Ascension. We've already discussed John the Revelator. Here's another:
Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Acts 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Acts 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Acts 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
And another...
Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
Acts 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
Acts 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
Well...come on now, let's be fair and think this over: Jesus talked about future and future is described in Revelations...writen by John...who was a listener when Jesus was talking about the future: ';some here will not die before they see the future.';
The contradiction is not here but it is basically everywhere else. I wished there was a god and I believed in one...then I read the bible a few times and now I'm the worst atheist there is hahahaha. Isn't it funny that the hardest working people for Jesus are those freshly recruited which means they are the ones who know the least about the bible? The more you know the less you believe...but for the sense of fairness you are wrong-this is not a contradiction.
like all non-believers you lack the ability to interpret and comprehend the bible and then claim it as false due to your own ignorance.
Dave C said it all though you wont believe it anyway. I see you spent scrupulous hours studying and writing on something you say is fake. I find that quite interesting yet hypocritical.
Dont be so rash to make claims like this due to your own misunderstandings. Its considered offensive, though you people dont care about that anyway.
They saw Him crucified and Resurrected, so I think the Prophecy was fulfilled.
There is a difference between false prophecy and future prophecy. Did Isaiah prophecy falsely when he spoke of bringing the People of Israel home 'on eagles' wings'? No. It just took awhile for jet aircraft to be invented. Jesus also said that our God is a God of the living, not of the dead. He has plenty of time yet to make good on His Promise.
But one within the audience DID see Jesus return in all His glory: John son of Zebedee. You can read about what he saw in Revelations.
He didn't say that He'd actually be returning before they died, only that some among them would SEE His return. It wasn't the first time the disciples had no clue what He meant. They really weren't very smart sometimes.
Therefore, it's not a false prophecy.
Let start with a literal translation for Matt 16:27-28:
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Clearly, you do not have a problem with verse 27. It talks about the end times and is consistent with other descriptions.
It is verse 28 that you claim that Jesus made a mistake.
Let's start with the end of this verse, ';THE SON OF-THE human COMING IN THE KINGdom OF-Him';. What is the kingdom of Jesus?
Let’s move to the beginning, ';AMEN (verily) I-AM-sayING to-YOU that ARE ANY (some) OF-THE-ones here HAVING-STOOD (standing) WHO-ANY NOT NO SHOULD-BE-TASTING OF-DEATH TIL EVER THEY-MAY-BE-PRECEIVING';. This ends with ';THEY-MAY-BE-PRECEIVING';. Possible preceiving, not listening. If there is a mistake, it is with the translation, not with what Matthew recorded.
Answer: Before you can claim something is false, you need understand what it says.
strange that you claim it false when it hasn't come to pass yet.
WHEN it does, you will not wish it did.
The Day of Pentecost...
The Holy Spirit (aka, Jesus Christ) came, in power, with His angels...
He did come back just before his ascension, it was called the Resurrection, he is coming again too. Go read the Bible.
Read Mark 9:1-8 first and then read Matthew 16:28-17:13. God didn't make the chapter breaks... man did.
See also: 2 Peter 1:16-21
Well you do make a good point...
I can only say that perhaps part of that prophecy was fulfilled when disciples seen the beginning of that coming Kingdom.. in Act 1: 1-7. His disciples do say “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
The rest of the fulfillment comes later?
We are told to watch because when we least think it Jesus will return in power with great glory.
Even if Jesus hasn't returned by the time you die your opportunity for salvation will be decided.
You will probably already know the reference 'all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation'. That is the classic excuse for doing nothing positive towards God.
The transfiguration certainly appears to be the immediate experience the disciples were to see and they were stunned by it.
But in the ultimate when the time is ready Jesus will return, but until then there is the time to serve God and trust Him and love Him.
What better opportunity could anyone be offered - eternal life in a renewed world.
Jesus himself does not know when He's coming back. Plus, have you ever thought that people die AND THEN GO TO HEAVEN??? He will come back, and He will raise the dead FIRST, then bring all the living believers still on Earth. You'll see.
Ok..First Matthew 23:36
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. For sure that did come to pass, as the disciples were killed for their testimony of Jesus Christ. A brief study of the bible will confirm that fact. Starting with Stephen.
Matthew 16:27-28 This scripture refers back to to Daniel 7:13,14
This was the Mediatorial kingdom which Jesus Christ was now about to set up, by the destruction of the Jewish ';politics';, and the diffusion of his Gospel through the whole world. If the words be taken in this sense, the angels or messengers signify the apostles and their successors in the sacred ministry, preaching the Gospel in the power of the Holy Ghost.
Chapter 28 refers to the above:This verse seems to confirm the above explanation, as our Lord speaks of the establishment of the Christian Church after the day of pentecost, and its final triumph after the destruction of the Jewish polity; as if he had said, ';Some of you, my disciples, shall continue to live until these things take place.'; The destruction of Jerusalem, and the Jewish economy, which our Lord here predicts, took place about forty-three years after this.
I would offer a word of caution and encouragement to you, in the study of the word of God. It is not a book that can be comprehended as other books may be. The word must be studied with your heart in humility to God. You must pray for the Holy Spirit to illuminate your mind to reveal the truth .
In addition, commentaries and concordances are very helpful.
Bless you as you uncover the truth of the gospel.
Jesus in his glory was his Resurrection! Not his 2nd coming..
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He was talking about His death pickle brain...so much you know ..........
His death would bring Glory to His Father by the countless souls that would be saved and duhhh- yeah- not everyone listening that day died before witnessing His death and ressurection.... And , His disciples watched Him ascend into heaven..Luke 24:50-53
Get more education ...or get a different hobby , might I suggest 'scrabble'.........
his disciples saw this happen when he ascended into heaven so the ';false prophecy'; wasn't so false now was it???
You goofed.
Matthew 16 and 23 are different events. In the part where he says those with Him would see Him come in His glory were with Him in the next 9 verses where he was transfigured and met Moses, Elijah, and God. (Matt 16:28-17:8)
Peter,James, and John were with Him.
Mark 9:1-same as above
Mark 13:30- unrelated
Luke 9:27-same as above
Luke 21:32- unrelated
Jesus was speaking of his transfiguration and you are much mistaken as are all unbelievers because God will not show you a thing, so shall non-believers perish at Armageddon, still not understanding a thing except that they are being destroyed by the God they didn't believe existed.
You, Sir, would be correct! And any attempts at rebuttal have been quite derelict in intellect.
The Lord of Lords appeared in his glory with his angels in the year 98 Ano Domini to St. John the Evangelist, Jesus showed John the future, including the Second coming.
You'll be getting answers from church folks soon, and some of them won't be nice.
one of them is still alive---simple so the prophecy is still true-just my thoughts-smile and enjoy the night---
no takers so far!
I can't say it particularly shocks me. The whole cult of the Jew on a Stick is based on one big lie, afterall.
I was going to read those passages but then i remembered oh i dont have a bible.
Either Jesus said that and it was a false prophecy or what Jesus said was written down wrong by a translator so it is a false rendering?
Anybody that you can nail to a stick is no ';god.'; If Jesus ever did exist, he was just another religious con man like the countless others that followed him, and like the ones we see today.
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