Sunday, February 7, 2010

Was Jesus a false messiah. Considering he does not fulfill the prophecy's laid down in the bible?

Isaiah 7:16 seems to say that before Jesus had reached the age of maturity, both of the Jewish countries would be destroyed. Yet there is no mention of this prophecy being fulfilled in the New Testament with the coming of Jesus.


The gospels (especially Matthew 21:4 and John 12:14-15) claim that Jesus fulfills the prophecy of Zechariah 9:9. But the next few verses (Zechariah 9:10-13) show that the person referred to in this verse is a military king that would rule ';from sea to sea';. Since Jesus had neither an army nor a kingdom, he could not have fulfilled this prophecy.


Jesus mistakenly tells his followers that he will return and establish his kingdom within their lifetime.


Matthew 23:36 %26amp; 24:34 Amen, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.


Matthew 16:28 “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. Clearly these prophesy's have been proven false.


Was Jesus a false messiah. Considering he does not fulfill the prophecy's laid down in the bible?
answer: You are correct and there are more. There aren't 300 or 600 prophecies that ';prove'; Jesus the foretold Messiah like Christians have been taught.





It IS possible that Jesus was meant to bring the pagan Gentiles to G-d but he failed at being the foretold Messiah (and the Entire myth built around him proves that).





Christianity is a good religion, its built on some false pretenses though.Was Jesus a false messiah. Considering he does not fulfill the prophecy's laid down in the bible?
Sorry, the problem is not in prophecy nor the Bible. The problem is that you have a very poor comprehension of what the Bible says. All prophecies relating to Christ's first coming were literally and accurately fulfilled. You are confusing prophecies relating to still future events with His first coming. There are yet many prophecies to be fulfilled. I could refer you to excellent reading material on the subject should you be genuinely interested. May God reveal His truth to you.



Actually, Christ Told His disciples that Only the Father Knows when the world will end(St. Mark, chapter 13, verse 32).





His Prophecy that some standing there would not taste death until they saw the Son Of Man Coming in His Kingdom, did come true. Example: Just before St. Steven was stoned to death, he told his persecutors that he saw The Lord Jesus Sitting at the Right Hand Of the Father(Acts, chapter 7, verses 55-56.)
All of Israel was under Roman occupation with Roman appointed Kings put in place.





Belief in Jesus Christ is global.





Jesus was not speaking about their generation, He was referring to the generation who would see the things discussed in the olivet discourse.






i don't know what version you are reading but your ';Lost in Translation'; i believe you are just totally lost period..... go back to theology 101 stupido


and then come with the actual verse from the bible and ask your question sheesh
i don't know what you are trying to prove but you will regret even doubting Jesus he is the messiah the one and only God, he paid much to high of a price to be doubted and insulted I pray that you will find him and recognize who he is.
People who lack wisdom, shouldn't question God's truth. Jesus IS the Messiah.





You don't understand the Bible, much less prophesy, without the Holy Spirit living in you.
of course he is the messiah. no mere human can do the things he did while on earth.he cured blind,resurrected lazareth,and turned water to wine,to name a few.
Did Jesus claim messiahship? I know he's called the 'Christ' which is a different term completely than Messiah.
wow. you interpretations of these verses are seriously skewed and out of context. go get a bible reference book.
grow a brain dude. Yeshua is Hamashiach (Jesus is Messiah) so don't doubt.
yes he was though i ain't no christian but i believe so
Zech 9:10-13 can be interpreted as a military king, but I see it as he is someone who subdues military mentality for the messege of peace (spreading God's messege) for the heathen.





The kingdom is ';not of this world.'; Jesus is recorded as stating this in the Gospels when Pontius Pilot asked if he was King and about his kingdom.





In Matthew 16:28 ';death'; is spiritual death, and this verse is an end times prophecy, just like many in Zechariah that are interpreted as messianic prophecies even while knowing full well that Zechariah is a combination of messianic prophecies and end times prophecies.
Jesus was not a false anything, He IS the Messiah !





Isaiah 7:16 is not about Jesus !


Here is another sign in particular of the speedy destruction of these potent princes that were now a terror to Judah, “Before this child (so it should be read), this child which I have now in my arms” (he means not Immanuel, but Shear-jashub his own son, whom he was ordered to take with him for a sign, Isaiah 7:3), “before this child shall know how to refuse the evil and choose the good” (and those who saw what his present stature and forwardness were would easily conjecture how long that would be), “before this child be three or four years older, the land that thou abhorrest, these confederate forces of Israelites and Syrians, which thou hast such an enmity to and standest in such dread of, shall be forsaken of both their kings, both Pekah and Rezin,” who were in so close an alliance that they seemed as if they were the kings of but one kingdom. This was fully accomplished; for within two or three years after this, Hoshea conspired against Pekah, and slew him (2 Kings 15:30), and, before that, the king of Assyria took Damascus, and slew Rezin, 2 Kings 16:9. Nay, there was a present event, which happened immediately, and when this child carried the prediction of in his name, which was a pledge and earnest of this future event. Shear-jashub signifies The remnant shall return, which doubtless points at the wonderful return of those 200,000 captives whom Pekah and Rezin had carried away, who were brought back, not by might or power, but by the Spirit of the Lord of hosts. Read the story, 2 Chron 28:8-15. The prophetical naming of this child having thus had its accomplishment, no doubt this, which was further added concerning him, should have its accomplishment likewise, that Syria and Israel should be deprived of both their kings. One mercy from God encourages us to hope for another, if it engages us to prepare for another.





But, as usual, an unbeliever is trying to interpret Scripture, something that is impossible to do, to really understand Scripture you must be a believer, and I believe this is why we have so many unenlightened questions here on Y!A posted in all sincerity by those who are willingly ignorant !





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Like so many other verses in the Bible, we do not always understand what Jesus meant. That's why we have to be very careful in interpreting what is being said. For example, John 6, towards the end, Jesus is referring to his flesh being eaten and having to drink his blood to be saved. Many of his followers thought he was losing it, and several left him.














But the apostles knew better. They knew Jesus was describing something beyond their understanding--which is still beyond our understanding (the Eucharist). We know we are taking Jesus Body and Blood in the form of the Eucharist, and we know this is what Jesus meant.





Some people believe that Matt 16:28 is referring to his resurrection, which hadn't happened yet. Some people say it is something we don't understand yet.





As far as Jesus establishing his Kingdom in their lifetime--he did--it was the Church. The Church is the Kingdom, and the Holy Spirit, the Pope and the Leaders of the Church are keeping it until Jesus returns.





We need the Pope and the Church to tell us what things in the Bible mean, and explain to us what we should be doing. Otherwise, we'd have 10,000 mini popes running around with their own, different interpretation, and no one would be sure of what's right.





EDIT: I think it is very UNCHRISTIAN for us to put down anybody. Calling people idiots or stupid is NOT what Jesus would do, even if others were trying to trip Him up.





IF YOU ARE CHRISTIAN, STOP THE PUT-DOWNS AND NAME CALLING.
You really need to read in context. But since you can't I'll explain.





Isaiah 7:16: In Isaiah's view the coming of the Messiah will be characterized by many things, one of which will be that there will have been no sovereign in Samaria nor Damascus when the ';virgin birth'; child shall be with us. Damascus lost sovereignty to Tiglath-Pilezer in 731 B.C. Damascus was ruled by foreign powers until very recently. Syria first lost home rule to Assyria, then Babylon, then Greece, Rome, and so on, until 1917. Samaria never seated a king again from 722 B.C. until the present. The ';land that you abhor'; has certainly ';been forsaken'; of both her kings.





Zechariah 9:9: Jesus rides into Jerusalem on a donkey The Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah during the course of the week following that entry into Jerusalem, but one day they will accept, the millennium will have arrived, and Jesus will rule. The struggles mentioned in verses 10-13, actually came to be in 165 B.C. At this time the Jews successfully defended Jerusalem from the continuing Greek (Seleucid) assaults that had begun under Antiochus Epiphanes IV in 168 B.C. He had installed a Greek idol on the altar of the Temple in 167 B.C. After defeating these Greeks, the Jews then rededicated the temple.





Matthew 23:36: You have to read the verses before this to know what Jesus is speaking of: 33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation....Now, look what happened after that...Jesus was crucified. Stephen was stoned. Peter and Paul were executed. Those things did come to pass in that generation.





Matthew 16:28: Here you need to read on to Matthew 17. Jesus calls Peter, James, and John, takes them up to a high mountain and is transfigured before them while Moses and Elijah come down to discuss His coming death.When the disciples woke, they looked at Christ and ';saw his glory'; (Luke 9:32). They saw Him as King of Kings. A cloud overshadowed them and the Father said, ';This is my beloved Son: hear him'; (Luke 9:34-35). This points to the presence and glory of God in fullness and power. Ths vision was not for the time that Jesus walked on the earth before His crucifixion. It was a glimpse of His coming kingdom.


















Jesus was a Messiah......the present bible is not as pure as it was at his time.....it has been tempered many times over centuries........the part written in red color is considered be be originally said by Jesus(peace be upon him) it is called red letter bible ....... rest can be correct or cannot be correct
According to the Bible Jesus is not the Messiah. The Messiah's name is supposed to be Emmanuel
only Muhammed fulfill the prophecy's laid down in the bible

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