Thursday, February 4, 2010

When does ';generation'; not mean generation -- in Jesus' famous false prophecy?

Does the word ';generation'; not mean generation, when church people are trying to make excuses for one of Jesus' false prophecies?





He said ';This generation shall not pass'; until he returns in the clouds of glory with his angels, and church people answered by saying ';generation'; means mankind.





Then why did he also say some of them listening would still be alive when all those end-time prophecies will be fulfilled?





Nice try, church people; but not good enough. Jesus was a little too precise on this prophecy, and your spin doesn't wash.





See: Matthew 24:29-31; Matthew 16:27,28; Mark 13;30,31;


Mark 9:1; Luke 9:27When does ';generation'; not mean generation -- in Jesus' famous false prophecy?
I agree with you!!! There's always somebody that tries to smooth over the Bible's version of Jesus' and the disciples interpretations of it. They never really get it!!! The Bible was intended to control the masses by fear and fear alone!! Dirty pool if you ask me!!!!When does ';generation'; not mean generation -- in Jesus' famous false prophecy?
The problem with your interpretation is that you fail to take the following verses into consideration:





Mar 13:28-30 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near: So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.





Jesus wasn't referring to the generation that was alive at the time He was preaching. He was referring to a future generation who would have seen the ';fig tree put forth its leaves'; before the Second Coming.





Some people think that the ';fig tree'; refers to Israel's rebirth as a nation, and others believe that it is a symbol of some as-yet unfulfilled prophecy in that nation's history.


In either event, Jesus' prophecy concerns a future generation of people whose lives will be tied to the nation of Israel.





In that context, the prophecy is unfulfilled but by no means false.
Jesus wasn't a false prophet- in fact, his main purpose in coming to Earth had nothing to do with prophesying- it had everything to do with teaching and fulfilling prophecy.





Ok, here we go:





First, we have to separate these scriptures because you have included a couple that have a completely different meaning from your ';generation'; issue. This is what happens when a scripture is taken out of context. :(





If you read a couple of verses ahead of Luke 9:27 and Mark 9:1, you will see that both are immediately followed by the account of Jesus' transfiguration on the mountain before Peter, James and John. During this event, the three apostles saw Jesus in all his heavenly glory, and heard a voice from heaven announce: ';This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.'; In these two scriptures you mentioned, Jesus tells his apostles that ';there are SOME of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the kingdom of God already come in power.'; Jesus' transfiguration accomplished this. For the three who saw it, it was a reassurance and a promise of things to come- seeing Jesus in his future state as God's appointed King (or, in all his heavenly glory) allowed Peter, James and John to get a visual glimpse of when God would appoint His Son as king over His Heavenly kingdom. It assured them of what Jesus and God would be able to accomplish and strengthened their faith.





Now for the ';generation'; propecy: ';A generation may mean a class of persons, that is, those characterized by certain qualities or conditions. The Bible speaks of “the generation of the righteous one” (Ps 14:5; 24:6; 112:2) and “a generation crooked and twisted,” “a generation of perverseness.” (De 32:5, 20; Pr 30:11-14) Jesus Christ, when on earth, spoke similarly of the people of the Jewish nation of that day, and the apostle Paul applied such terms to the world of his day in general, which was alienated from God.—Mt 12:39; 16:4; 17:17; Mr 8:38; Php 2:14, 15.





One Hebrew word for “generation” is dohr, corresponding to the Aramaic dar. (Da 4:3, 34) Dohr comes from a root verb meaning “stack in a circle” or “move around” (Eze 24:5; Ps 84:10) and thus has a basic underlying meaning of “circle.” The related word dur means “ball.” (Isa 22:18) The Greek equivalent is ge·ne·a′, from a root meaning “be born.”





Another Hebrew word, toh·le·dhohth′, is occasionally rendered “generations” or “genealogy” (Nu 3:1; Ru 4:18), also “descendants” or “families” (1Ch 5:7; 7:2, 4, 9) and “history” or “origins.”—Ge 2:4; 5:1; 6:9; compare AS, AT, KJ, Dy, NW, RS, and other translations.';





';When Bible prophecy speaks of “this generation,” it is necessary to consider the context to determine what generation is meant. Jesus Christ, when denouncing the Jewish religious leaders, concluded by saying: “Truly I say to you, All these things will come upon this generation.” History recounts that about 37 years later (in 70 C.E.) that contemporary generation personally experienced the destruction of Jerusalem, as foretold.—Mt 23:36.





Later that same day, Jesus again used practically the same words, saying: “Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.” (Mt 24:34) In this instance, Jesus was answering a question regarding the desolation of Jerusalem and its temple as well as regarding the sign of his presence and of the conclusion of the system of things. Before his reference to “this generation,” however, he had focused his remarks specifically on his “coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” and the nearness of the Kingdom of God. Immediately afterward, he continued with references to his “presence.” (Mt 24:30, 37, 39; Lu 21:27, 31) Jesus was using the word “generation” with reference to humans whose lives would in some way be associated with the foretold events.—Mt 24.





The people of this 20th-century generation living since 1914 have experienced these many terrifying events concurrently and in concentrated measure—international wars, great earthquakes, terrible pestilences, widespread famine, persecution of Christians, and other conditions that Jesus outlined in Matthew chapter 24, Mark chapter 13, and Luke chapter 21.';





';What did Jesus mean by “generation,” both in his day and in ours?





Many scriptures confirm that Jesus did not use “generation” with regard to some small or distinct group, meaning only the Jewish leaders or only his loyal disciples. Rather, he used “generation” in condemning the masses of Jews who rejected him. Happily, though, individuals could do what the apostle Peter urged on the day of Pentecost, repent and “get saved from this crooked generation.”—Acts 2:40.





In that statement, Peter was clearly not being precise as to any fixed age or length of time, nor was he tying the “generation” to any certain date. He did not say that people should get saved from the generation that was born in the same year Jesus was or the generation that was born in 29 C.E. Peter was speaking about the unbelieving Jews of that period—some perhaps being rather young, others being older—who had been exposed to Jesus’ teaching, had seen or heard of his miracles, and had not accepted him as Messiah.





That evidently is how Peter understood Jesus’ use of “generation” when he and three other apostles were with Jesus on the Mount of Olives. According to Jesus’ prophetic statement, Jews of that period—basically, Jesus’ contemporaries—were going to experience or hear of wars, earthquakes, famines, and other evidences that the end of the Jewish system was near. In fact, that generation did not pass before the end came in 70 C.E.—Matthew 24:3-14, 34.





It must be acknowledged that we have not always taken Jesus’ words in that sense. There is a tendency for imperfect humans to want to be specific about the date when the end will come. Recall that even the apostles sought more specifics, asking: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”—Acts 1:6.





With similar sincere intentions, God’s servants in modern times have tried to derive from what Jesus said about “generation” some clear time element calculated from 1914. For instance, one line of reasoning has been that a generation can be 70 or 80 years, made up of people old enough to grasp the significance of the first world war and other developments; thus we can calculate more or less how near the end is.





However well-meaning such thinking was, did it comply with the advice Jesus went on to give? Jesus said: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. . . . Keep on the watch, therefore, because you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.”—Matthew 24:36-42.';
The disciples asked 3 questions (24:3) and Jesus answered all three. History shows how precise Jesus answered. He had just prophesied a tremendous prophecy that hardly seemed possible about the magnificent Temple will be so destroyed that every stone would be cast down. This was one of their questions ';when would this be'; and the text you refer to is the answer to that 1 of 3 questions. Some would be (and where) still living when the Temple was destroyed a few decades later.
People who have studied the Bible in much more detail than you do not see it your way. Consider that you might not have the whole picture. Which generation does it mean.


The generation he was talking to?


The generation who would see the prophecies start?


The generation of the Jewish people?


The generation of mankind as you mention?


The generation of the church?


You decide and then say that Christ was wrong because He doesn't fit in with your interpretation.


He did not say some of them would still be alive when all those end time prophecies took place. He said they would be alive to see the glory of God. Reference to the transfiguration which took place in the Bible.
Usually generation is about 40 years.


But the Bible does qualify the meaning to generation at times.





In Genesis after the 7 days of creation, it recaps it by saying ';..and this is the generation...'; it is talking of only 7 days!





When Jesus said ';this generation'; I believe He was talking about the unbelieving Jews. God promised that He WOULD save Israel. In Revelation, it says that when the Jews then believe, that is when Jesus will return in the clouds';.
Have a nice day.
Yes, Jesus said ';This generation will not pass...'; Which generation was he speaking of? And how long is a ';generation'; Plucking these verses out of context seems like good ammunition for you to try and shoot down the bible, but you're only fooling people who haven't studied it. In the context, Jesus was discussing things that were coming soon and things yet to come. In fact, when speaking about the ';great tribulation'; he said that he nor the angels knew when that would be, only the Father knows. If you knew or cared what Jesus was talking about you wouldn't be trying to discredit his words... So many are those like yourself who are lacking in understanding. Proverbs 1:5, 2:3, 3:5, 9:6 %26amp; 10, and especially 14:6!!!
Better read it real close to get understanding. Your question makes no sense because it covers different events. This verse probably refers to you. Kingdom of God is key.





Lk 8


10.He said, ';The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to others I speak in parables, so that,


'; 'though seeing, they may not see;


though hearing, they may not understand.
Jesus was a shyster, a magician. He and his lazy henchmen (disciples),who, including jesus never had a job, traveled around the country extracting dough from innocent, gullible people.


Small wonder his own people were responsible for his death.
The things that are needed for Christ's return is suppose to happen in one generation. Two of the three things necessary have happened in my generation. The only thing left is for the temple to be rebuilt. Watch, the time is near. Repent for your doubt, it can still happen.
Jesus did not give any false prophecy. You might just have done it but not Jesus. Jesus was without sin. God Bless

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